Devuan Weekly News/2014-48

Devuan Weekly News, Volume 2014, Week 48

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Devuan Weekly News II

Hi all, and welcome to Devuan Weekly News II. Another monday night, another sleepless night to compile all the threads for your benefit.

More hands are needed on DWN if I want to sleep :D

Enjoy.

My editorial note for this week is that we have seen less harsh than on DWN I but more political standing messages (more comments from me at the end).

Maybe you remember from issue I [1] that there was a discussion about changing Devuan's name. It has been stated now [2] that there will be no change at all.

1. https://lists.dyne.org/digest/1417518895.14243_1.navi:2,S.html
2. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141202.093107.c1c17ea8.en.html

There has been also a discussion about the Reply-to header in messages to the list [3] but it has also been stated (in the same [2]) that it will not be changed.

3. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141201.215243.f4e93281.en.html

It has also been commented [4] if we should continue using freenode ans it does not allow tor:

4. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141202.151336.71f443f3.en.html

There is an interesting ongoing discussion from [5] about how to name the Devuan releases. There have been options based on italian food, Monsters, Inc. names ([6]), star names ([7]), songs from Frank Zappa ([8]), names from other films ([9]), and names related to Computing History and Unix creation at [10].

5. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141207.125705.b8eb0f0a.en.html
6. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141208.010348.a20f41c9.en.html
7. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141207.220616.3806dfe6.en.html
8. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141207.170242.179e2e8c.en.html
9. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141208.003959.43c6f4bf.en.html
10. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141208.115652.1866305d.en.html

It has also been discussed ([11]) what to do about GTK, since it is controlled by the GNOME Foundation who pushes systemd on. Issue started with a discussion ([12]) about Gnome and GDM, and how GNOME Project behaves. Another statament was needed at [13] abouth the relation between Devuan on one hand and systemd and Gnome on the other.

11. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141206.135753.2d326577.en.html
12. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141205.125409.30d7a092.en.html
13. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141205.172126.2118aad0.en.html

Another interesting discussion started at [14] about Devuan having a Constitution, but it soon derived to a discussion about if we should have non- free and contrib sections ([15]) and the usage of the word "antisocial" ([16]) and the real need for non-free firmware ([17]), but it was stated that we will follow current Debian usage at least until Devuan 1.0 is liberated ([18]).

14. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141205.213027.15680885.en.html
15. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141206.001640.55e0f9cd.en.html
16. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141206.062355.4d1fc2d7.en.html
17. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141206.205110.80b53316.en.html
18. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141206.100602.630cae96.en.html

There has been another trolling thread at [19] and I would not be mentioning it here, but the thread raised the very important issue (best expressed by Eric S. Raymond at [20]) of the real extent of freedom to speech. Please remember not to feed the troll, but what is right needs to be acknowledged, "For if we censor public speech in aid of our own political positions, we forfeit the right to object when others censor our public speech in aid of theirs. There is only one place that road can end, and it’s not anywhere we want to be." (ESR).

19. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141203.042211.86faadb3.en.html
20. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310

There was another request for a TODO list ([21]) and another request for organization at [22], and a thread that could have been technical about the importance of properly dealing with policikit ([23]), but which ended in another useless discussion about systemd hate. And obviously, silence creates noise ;) ([24]).

21. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141203.075622.6c702582.en.html
22. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141206.210817.503cdb9e.en.html
23. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141203.091131.f6bcb237.en.html
24. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141204.165240.0427e65f.en.html

There was also a discussion about moving discussion from a mailing list to a Forum or something similar ([25])

25. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141204.231402.bfb047cf.en.html

Also a discussion about scripting languages and typing, at [26].

26. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141206.030135.8c980889.en.html

Last week a thread started about how to remove libsystemd0 at [27], with some advice.

27. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141202.214840.48476b52.en.html

Some extra messages regarding Wikipedia's page about Jaromil (which may have been in their own thread) were at [28].

28. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141208.172956.eed0680c.en.html

That's all. Too many statements, the project seems to be dictatorial, at least as it is going now. Maybe this is needed for the project to settle (and I mostly agree with them all), but the lack of transparency metioned in DWN I is now more apparent, if possible.

Thanks for reading so far

Noel er Envite self-appointed DWN sleepless redactor and editor