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* [http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/systemd-assumptions-bullying-consent.html systemd: Assumptions, Bullying, Consent]
 
* [http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/systemd-assumptions-bullying-consent.html systemd: Assumptions, Bullying, Consent]
 
* [https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459 Open letter to the Linux World]
 
* [https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459 Open letter to the Linux World]
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* [http://www.gabordemooij.com/index.php?p=/escape_from_systemd an experience shared by software engineer on systemd]
 
* [http://fromthecodefront.blogspot.in/2017/07/systemd-pitfalls.html systemd pitfalls] (July 2017)
 
* [http://fromthecodefront.blogspot.in/2017/07/systemd-pitfalls.html systemd pitfalls] (July 2017)
 
* [http://mrpogson.com/2015/02/09/systemd-or-poettering-name-your-poison/ systemd Or Poettering, Name Your Poison]
 
* [http://mrpogson.com/2015/02/09/systemd-or-poettering-name-your-poison/ systemd Or Poettering, Name Your Poison]
 
* [http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371 Combatting revisionist history]
 
* [http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371 Combatting revisionist history]
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* [http://www.webcitation.org/query?id=1399384468768939&date=%400&fromform=1 another list of technical points explaining why systemd is bad (by boycottsystemd.org)]
 
* [[Local copy of boycottsystemd.org archive]]
 
* [[Local copy of boycottsystemd.org archive]]
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* [https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/ blogsite: systemd-free linux community]
 
* [https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/ Ts’o and Linus And The Impotent Rage Against systemd]
 
* [https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/ Ts’o and Linus And The Impotent Rage Against systemd]
 
* [https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/4W6rrMMvhWU A realization that I recently came to while discussing the whole systemd controversy (by Theodore Ts'o)]
 
* [https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/4W6rrMMvhWU A realization that I recently came to while discussing the whole systemd controversy (by Theodore Ts'o)]
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* [http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml Why I dislike systemd]
 
* [http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml Why I dislike systemd]
 
* [http://draketo.de/light/english/top-5-systemd-troubles Top 5 systemd troubles - a strategic view for distros]
 
* [http://draketo.de/light/english/top-5-systemd-troubles Top 5 systemd troubles - a strategic view for distros]
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* [http://www.galexander.org/systemd_sucks.html systemd sucks (experience of galexander)]
 
* [https://pwnies.com/winners/#lamestvendor Lamest Vendor Response 2017 #PwnieAwards goes to Lennart Poettering for systems f*ckups] [https://twitter.com/dalmoz_/status/890397041674911745/photo/1 photo]
 
* [https://pwnies.com/winners/#lamestvendor Lamest Vendor Response 2017 #PwnieAwards goes to Lennart Poettering for systems f*ckups] [https://twitter.com/dalmoz_/status/890397041674911745/photo/1 photo]
 
* [http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise]
 
* [http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise]

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Contents


Conceptional problems

Debunking the myth of unit files being significantly shorter than scripts used by all other init systems: A side-by-side look at run scripts and service units

Poor design

Scope creep

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Systemd scopecreep chart.png

Scope creep leads to vulnerabilities

Absurd bugs and responses

Breaking promises and immaturity

"After udev is merged into the systemd tree you can still build it for usage outside of systemd systems, and we will support these builds officially. In fact, we will be supporting this for a long time"

"...this will effectively also mean that we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that point. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call."

Linux (kernel) coup attempt: "kdbus support is no longer compile-time optional ... We encourage all downstream distributions to begin testing kdbus by adding it to the kernel images in the development distributions, and leaving kdbus support in systemd enabled." comment on this on LKML

"The kdbuswreck"

"kdbus now out-of-tree"

"kdbus dropped in favor of BUS1"

unmet stability promises:

To quote from the systemd stability promise:

"Starting with version 26 (the first version released with Fedora 15) we promise to keep a number of them stable and compatible for the future."

One of their promises is for the export format:

"Entry metadata that is not actually a field is serialized like it was a field, but beginning with two underscores. "

This is not true for version 44 of systemd for example.

Ignorance of fundamental operating system concepts


further reading: additional links

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